December 20, 2023 • 11 mins
Find out the real reason Sonja mentioned Bethenny on The Real Housewives Ultimate Girls Trip and how did it ultimately land with Bethenny!
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
I guess people talked about me on The Ultimate Girls Trip,
which has become a combination of good, solid workhorse, iconic
Housewives and Fired Housewives, which is interesting because it seems
like on some of the casts it's really all fired housewives,
(00:31):
and those are shit shows because they're just so desperate
to rate and that's when it gets really crazy. But
I heard there was some discussion about Scary Island and
the Pirate and Kelly and that Sonya and I do
still speak, which we do, and I don't know. I
just like Sonia and while we've had our moments, very
(00:54):
few and far between, I've always liked her. I remember
the season I came back, everyone trying to tell me
kind of to not like her and how nuts she was,
and there's just something endearing about her. She's trying to
survive and she's always working to like support her daughter,
and she's the ultimate single mom. She plays the game,
she's grateful for the gig, she likes the gig. She's
(01:17):
always coming back, she's honest about it. She's part of
the fabric of housewives. She's funny. You just like someone
from the inside, like you know that you like them.
There are different feelings that I have about different housewives
where I know that I like them, you know, And
I do have that for certain people. And like I've
said before, I've gotten to know housewives way more since
(01:38):
being on the show and not and without naming names,
there are a handful of housewives I can think of,
like four to five that text me for advice and
like to give them motivation and to put things in
perspective and to help them, and I'm grateful for it
and I'm happy to do it where I feel like
when I was in the machine and out of the
machine and in the machine but still part of the machine,
(02:01):
I didn't really have that kind of relationship with other
housewives because I don't know, I just felt like it
was always going to come and sting you somehow, or
be part of the show, or I just never feel comfortable,
which is why when Kathy asked what to do about
being a new housewife, I declined, and when declined talking
about it, same thing with Jenna Lyons, who I don't know,
(02:22):
but we have a friend in common. But now I
talk to housewives and I really believe that I give
them really solid advice that helps them, and I don't know,
I'm just grateful for the position that I'm in now
where I just feel differently about it. I don't have anger,
I don't resent it. I just it's like somebody that
(02:44):
I used to know. It's getting so much further. I
dug back in a little because of the reality reckoning.
But I'm not living there at all.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
And it's just a place that I used to live.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And you know, once in a while you drive by
it on the highway and you say, oh my god,
I used to live there, but you really don't live
there anymore. It's very interesting and so and you have
compassion for other people going through challenging things that are there,
and you also I also validate and respect people needing
to and wanting to be there, because it's not that
(03:19):
easy for a woman of a certain age to get
a gig to start over. You know, in many cases
that was their second act. They're married or divorced or.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Just don't have their own thing. And it's like a job.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
It's you know, it's a job that someone that you
can create value and you can make money there. So
interesting that Ramona went to the premiere of her show,
so she had been in a time out and couldn't
go to Bravocon, presumably also because the Reality Reckoning was
like white hot right then, and so she was asked not.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
To go to Bravocon. So the word on the street
is that.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
She wasn't invited to her premiere when she went, because
she's in the show, and if the show is gonna
air her, then why shouldn't she go to the premiere.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
It just all seems crazy. The thing is.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Ramona's Ramona, and she'll show up and that she's the
ultimate gas lighter, Like she could go there and do
a bunch of high kicks and actually succeed in making
everyone forget about the last thing that happened. I would
be hiding on a deserted island, but Ramona has that gift.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
She's always had that gift.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
She'll just be like she just plows on through the
last bad thing that happened, and so then she'll be
on that show and ultimately nobody cares about any of
this stuff. Like it's so crazy. Where the line is
because Brandy where nothing was proven and I think it's
alleged she was not invited to Bravo Khan and they
might not.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Air her show.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
But the Ramona Show is airing, and Ramona went to
the premiere. It's like it kind of just depends on
the day of the week, Like it really just everyone
just decides the way the wind blows and everyone can
do whatever they want because it doesn't matter what you do.
You can get back on that field, you really can,
Like I short of me, I mean Nini could get
back on that field. Jill Zarin could get back on
(05:06):
that field. Fade Rug got back on that field. Uh,
it doesn't matter what you do. Like, that's not the
land of where it matters. Honesty doesn't matter, like racism
doesn't matter. Getting in trouble for something doesn't matter. Saying
someone drugs somebody, and like a defamation of character doesn't matter.
Doing drugs doesn't matter. Most things don't matter. So in
(05:40):
the overall context, it makes sense that Ramona would be
there because if you think about everything everybody else has
done and gotten away with, which can be brushed under
the rug of that's who they really are. It's a
reality show like that can be because when are you
gonna play how do you say we have to have
these people be who they are actually are in reality,
(06:02):
but then fire them for being who they actually are.
In reality, it feels like Bravo picks and chooses who
gets fired for what and where, And I don't know
where the line is and how you decide what stays in,
what stays out, what is okay because you're a real person.
Because people get hired for being a disaster, or for
controversial views, or for being like the type of person
(06:25):
is going to say something very stupid. But then you
say something very stupid and then if the media picks
up on it and they think it's wrong, then you
get let go. But it's the very thing that you
are hired for, is what you get in trouble for
and get let go. And it's the very thing you
are hired for that you are provoked to do. Like
Brandy was completely you know, provoked to be who she
(06:48):
always has been. That's made her rate the zero fox,
the controversial, the talking about someone's vagina, the you know,
the getting wasted, the being the trade wreck. That's what
she's known for. People always want Derinda to get wasted.
People wanted Leah to burn the tiki torches, but then
if she burned them too hot, then she would get
(07:11):
kicked off for the very thing that she was on
the show for and egged on for, and I know
because I've been there. It's like, oh my god, let's see.
You know that Luann's gonna start drinking, so hopefully we'll
have some drinks and then that will happen, like that's
what they root for. Then it happens, and then you
know we're not taking addiction seriously. So then somebody gets
fired or like there's a statement issue. It's kind of bullshit,
(07:32):
Like it's kind of bullshit. It's a pressure cooker, a
design for drama, and then when there's drama, that's when
the trouble happens. Like it's the whole nature of the
crazy beast. Should the kids be part of this? Should
the kids be held to the same standards if they're
over twenty one they're participating in the show or the
(07:54):
kid's fair game. Should adults be fighting with the kids?
Should kids be allowed to shoot when the parents are
just signing them away and kind of making them shoot,
and then if they shoot, should they not be compensated?
And some trust fund, some college fund? Because I know
that Ali Zarn The minute she turned eighteen, Jill wanted
to get her paid because she was an adult and
they had to pay her if she filmed, and they
(08:16):
wouldn't put her in any scenes. And Jill wanted to
get her paid something for all the years that she
had worked, but no, And then, like Dina, Manzo's daughter
was basically crying, saying her whole life was changed and
formed by stupid things she said that she doesn't agree
with when she was thirteen, because you know, I'd say
to my daughter, you can't say that, whatever the thing is,
(08:37):
you can't say that, Like kids don't know they're kids,
So should they be on these shows? You know, without compensation.
Their parents are saying they have to be on the shows,
but without compensation. It's a very interesting topic and common.
And yeah, someone like a Jen Shaw is a pariah now,
but everything she is is everything the Housewives wants, living
(08:58):
beyond her means. Check renting different houses to make it
look good for the show. So that's a great storyline
that other people will then criticize. Check all the labels
ABCDEFG can't even afford them.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Many of them are fake. Does it even matter? Check?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Like larger than Life, you'd know something doesn't smell right,
It just something stinks in suburbia. You know, hence there's
something illegal. Check Salahi's broke into the White House. Check
Luanne gets arrested. Check check Tinsley had a mugshot. Check
(09:38):
Leah is a recovering attict. Check Derinda likes to tie
one on and get wasted. Check Like it's like, what
do we want from these people? And what happens after?
How crazy about the woman from Orange County? You guys
will know she had two daughters. One was sexually assaulted
by the police and she won a case. I mean,
(10:00):
stuff goes on with these kids. I don't know that
many kids that have crazy lives like this, So there
has to be some effect, like the Housewives effect, the
kimm You're gonna say the Kim and Kroi thing is
not the Housewives effect. Keeping up with the Joneses all
show and no go, starting with Big Papa and having
to show everyone how rich we are and have the
big ring and the big car and the big house,
(10:22):
and then literally the demise be about the big ring,
in the big car, in the big house and trying
to sell luxury goods and gambling and trying to keep
up with the Joneses and Kroy repeatedly saying like they
don't got it like that, and then they both crack
like money can be the root of all evil. But
The Housewives is the place where you have to show
that you.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Have the most money.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
And I'm not gonna name names, but there are people
on Beverly Hills and have habitually and traditionally been people
on Beverly Hills that look really rich that don't got
it like that. You know, they got to pull together
their best wares for shooting, but they don't got it
like that. And they're borrowing from Peter to pay Paul
and it's not cute.
I guess people talked about me on The Ultimate Girls Trip,
which has become a combination of good, solid workhorse, iconic
Housewives and Fired Housewives, which is interesting because it seems
like on some of the casts it's really all fired housewives,
(00:31):
and those are shit shows because they're just so desperate
to rate and that's when it gets really crazy. But
I heard there was some discussion about Scary Island and
the Pirate and Kelly and that Sonya and I do
still speak, which we do, and I don't know. I
just like Sonia and while we've had our moments, very
(00:54):
few and far between, I've always liked her. I remember
the season I came back, everyone trying to tell me
kind of to not like her and how nuts she was,
and there's just something endearing about her. She's trying to
survive and she's always working to like support her daughter,
and she's the ultimate single mom. She plays the game,
she's grateful for the gig, she likes the gig. She's
(01:17):
always coming back, she's honest about it. She's part of
the fabric of housewives. She's funny. You just like someone
from the inside, like you know that you like them.
There are different feelings that I have about different housewives
where I know that I like them, you know, And
I do have that for certain people. And like I've
said before, I've gotten to know housewives way more since
(01:38):
being on the show and not and without naming names,
there are a handful of housewives I can think of,
like four to five that text me for advice and
like to give them motivation and to put things in
perspective and to help them, and I'm grateful for it
and I'm happy to do it where I feel like
when I was in the machine and out of the
machine and in the machine but still part of the machine,
(02:01):
I didn't really have that kind of relationship with other
housewives because I don't know, I just felt like it
was always going to come and sting you somehow, or
be part of the show, or I just never feel comfortable,
which is why when Kathy asked what to do about
being a new housewife, I declined, and when declined talking
about it, same thing with Jenna Lyons, who I don't know,
(02:22):
but we have a friend in common. But now I
talk to housewives and I really believe that I give
them really solid advice that helps them, and I don't know,
I'm just grateful for the position that I'm in now
where I just feel differently about it. I don't have anger,
I don't resent it. I just it's like somebody that
(02:44):
I used to know. It's getting so much further. I
dug back in a little because of the reality reckoning.
But I'm not living there at all.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
And it's just a place that I used to live.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And you know, once in a while you drive by
it on the highway and you say, oh my god,
I used to live there, but you really don't live
there anymore. It's very interesting and so and you have
compassion for other people going through challenging things that are there,
and you also I also validate and respect people needing
to and wanting to be there, because it's not that
(03:19):
easy for a woman of a certain age to get
a gig to start over. You know, in many cases
that was their second act. They're married or divorced or.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Just don't have their own thing. And it's like a job.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
It's you know, it's a job that someone that you
can create value and you can make money there. So
interesting that Ramona went to the premiere of her show,
so she had been in a time out and couldn't
go to Bravocon, presumably also because the Reality Reckoning was
like white hot right then, and so she was asked not.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
To go to Bravocon. So the word on the street
is that.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
She wasn't invited to her premiere when she went, because
she's in the show, and if the show is gonna
air her, then why shouldn't she go to the premiere.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
It just all seems crazy. The thing is.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Ramona's Ramona, and she'll show up and that she's the
ultimate gas lighter, Like she could go there and do
a bunch of high kicks and actually succeed in making
everyone forget about the last thing that happened. I would
be hiding on a deserted island, but Ramona has that gift.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
She's always had that gift.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
She'll just be like she just plows on through the
last bad thing that happened, and so then she'll be
on that show and ultimately nobody cares about any of
this stuff. Like it's so crazy. Where the line is
because Brandy where nothing was proven and I think it's
alleged she was not invited to Bravo Khan and they
might not.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Air her show.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
But the Ramona Show is airing, and Ramona went to
the premiere. It's like it kind of just depends on
the day of the week, Like it really just everyone
just decides the way the wind blows and everyone can
do whatever they want because it doesn't matter what you do.
You can get back on that field, you really can,
Like I short of me, I mean Nini could get
back on that field. Jill Zarin could get back on
(05:06):
that field. Fade Rug got back on that field. Uh,
it doesn't matter what you do. Like, that's not the
land of where it matters. Honesty doesn't matter, like racism
doesn't matter. Getting in trouble for something doesn't matter. Saying
someone drugs somebody, and like a defamation of character doesn't matter.
Doing drugs doesn't matter. Most things don't matter. So in
(05:40):
the overall context, it makes sense that Ramona would be
there because if you think about everything everybody else has
done and gotten away with, which can be brushed under
the rug of that's who they really are. It's a
reality show like that can be because when are you
gonna play how do you say we have to have
these people be who they are actually are in reality,
(06:02):
but then fire them for being who they actually are.
In reality, it feels like Bravo picks and chooses who
gets fired for what and where, And I don't know
where the line is and how you decide what stays in,
what stays out, what is okay because you're a real person.
Because people get hired for being a disaster, or for
controversial views, or for being like the type of person
(06:25):
is going to say something very stupid. But then you
say something very stupid and then if the media picks
up on it and they think it's wrong, then you
get let go. But it's the very thing that you
are hired for, is what you get in trouble for
and get let go. And it's the very thing you
are hired for that you are provoked to do. Like
Brandy was completely you know, provoked to be who she
(06:48):
always has been. That's made her rate the zero fox,
the controversial, the talking about someone's vagina, the you know,
the getting wasted, the being the trade wreck. That's what
she's known for. People always want Derinda to get wasted.
People wanted Leah to burn the tiki torches, but then
if she burned them too hot, then she would get
(07:11):
kicked off for the very thing that she was on
the show for and egged on for, and I know
because I've been there. It's like, oh my god, let's see.
You know that Luann's gonna start drinking, so hopefully we'll
have some drinks and then that will happen, like that's
what they root for. Then it happens, and then you
know we're not taking addiction seriously. So then somebody gets
fired or like there's a statement issue. It's kind of bullshit,
(07:32):
Like it's kind of bullshit. It's a pressure cooker, a
design for drama, and then when there's drama, that's when
the trouble happens. Like it's the whole nature of the
crazy beast. Should the kids be part of this? Should
the kids be held to the same standards if they're
over twenty one they're participating in the show or the
(07:54):
kid's fair game. Should adults be fighting with the kids?
Should kids be allowed to shoot when the parents are
just signing them away and kind of making them shoot,
and then if they shoot, should they not be compensated?
And some trust fund, some college fund? Because I know
that Ali Zarn The minute she turned eighteen, Jill wanted
to get her paid because she was an adult and
they had to pay her if she filmed, and they
(08:16):
wouldn't put her in any scenes. And Jill wanted to
get her paid something for all the years that she
had worked, but no, And then, like Dina, Manzo's daughter
was basically crying, saying her whole life was changed and
formed by stupid things she said that she doesn't agree
with when she was thirteen, because you know, I'd say
to my daughter, you can't say that, whatever the thing is,
(08:37):
you can't say that, Like kids don't know they're kids,
So should they be on these shows? You know, without compensation.
Their parents are saying they have to be on the shows,
but without compensation. It's a very interesting topic and common.
And yeah, someone like a Jen Shaw is a pariah now,
but everything she is is everything the Housewives wants, living
(08:58):
beyond her means. Check renting different houses to make it
look good for the show. So that's a great storyline
that other people will then criticize. Check all the labels
ABCDEFG can't even afford them.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Many of them are fake. Does it even matter? Check?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Like larger than Life, you'd know something doesn't smell right,
It just something stinks in suburbia. You know, hence there's
something illegal. Check Salahi's broke into the White House. Check
Luanne gets arrested. Check check Tinsley had a mugshot. Check
(09:38):
Leah is a recovering attict. Check Derinda likes to tie
one on and get wasted. Check Like it's like, what
do we want from these people? And what happens after?
How crazy about the woman from Orange County? You guys
will know she had two daughters. One was sexually assaulted
by the police and she won a case. I mean,
(10:00):
stuff goes on with these kids. I don't know that
many kids that have crazy lives like this, So there
has to be some effect, like the Housewives effect, the
kimm You're gonna say the Kim and Kroi thing is
not the Housewives effect. Keeping up with the Joneses all
show and no go, starting with Big Papa and having
to show everyone how rich we are and have the
big ring and the big car and the big house,
(10:22):
and then literally the demise be about the big ring,
in the big car, in the big house and trying
to sell luxury goods and gambling and trying to keep
up with the Joneses and Kroy repeatedly saying like they
don't got it like that, and then they both crack
like money can be the root of all evil. But
The Housewives is the place where you have to show
that you.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Have the most money.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
And I'm not gonna name names, but there are people
on Beverly Hills and have habitually and traditionally been people
on Beverly Hills that look really rich that don't got
it like that. You know, they got to pull together
their best wares for shooting, but they don't got it
like that. And they're borrowing from Peter to pay Paul
and it's not cute.
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