February 6, 2024 • 12 mins
An incident from the Ultimate Girls Trip sparks Bethenny to share details on scary, real-life, Real Housewives situations that she was involved in.
Plus, a revelation about the Beckhams superpower and what makes them un-cancelable.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Do you know about the Caroline Manzo and Brandy Glanville thing.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yes, yes, a tiny bit.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Caroline has filed a lawsuit because of a trip to
Morocco on an Ultimate Girls trip. Allegedly there was a
sexual assault incident.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
And was it? Did they describe what that was?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
A grabbing of a boob? Was what was discussed. So
my feeling is that Caroline Manzo who had a quote
saying like, if you're hang out by a dumpster, you're
gonna end up smelling like trash, something like that. And
I knew that she left the show. She was one
of the few people that have left the show versus
being fired. Ninety nine point nine percent of people that
say they've left, it's been they've been fired. And she
(00:53):
did leave, and she didn't want to go back, but
like the pandemic hit everybody, and I'm sure it would
have been nice to have a gig and it's a
lift for the money, one week trip, but she goes
in and now we're in the land of the fired housewife,
which is the most desperate house of all. The fired
housewife is the most desperate housewife because they want to,
you know, jump through hoops and set themselves on fire,
(01:14):
set somebody on fire, to rate and maybe get asked back,
or just like to be relevant again. There's a thousand reasons.
So now Caroline goes in and she knows who the
cast is, so now Brandy's want of the cast. And
in my opinion, I don't know exactly what happened. It's
alleged and Brandy and everyone else have said, you know,
different versions of it. Nothing happened to it's Bravo's fault too,
(01:35):
you know, it's Mickey Mouse's fault. But Brandy is known
to get wild and wasted and has done that even
when she since she's left, she's gone back in as
a guest to get wild and wasted. So this environment
wants you to get wasted. It encourages drinking and train
wreck activity. So is it surprising that this would go
(01:56):
down there there's a ledge that they were smoking pot
and morocco and go to jail. Painting a picture for
you to get your take on this whole situation, because
mine is, don't hate the player, hate the game.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I am so.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Cynical about reality, right and like how things go down,
and also just cancel culture, like somebody can say, like
I don't fucking know.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I don't fucking know. Like, yes, I do agree.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I dated somebody that worked in real filmed reality, and
there would be stories that like people would text on
the side about like storylines that they wanted to dump
on the show to boost their ratings, right like hey,
or like news that would break. But they're like, hey,
(02:51):
I want to you know, I want to break the
news when I'm on air.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Whatever, So no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
The producers will hand you the New York Post and say,
tell Jennifer about this, like Christina kirkmana squat with their
pants down at Starbucks, and I'm supposed to say that
to somebody else. Obviously you were that yeah that yeah,
So they want so they wanted Brandy to be Brandy,
and Brandy went there and was Brandy. I mean you
know what I mean, Like we want enter the wild
(03:18):
girl who's gonna drink? The people that fall off the wagon.
I've heard them say, well, of course we know this
person's gonna drink. And they are excited, they're drooling because
that means that this is a story someone fell off
the wagon. Like they're not like and you're.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Also you're you're throwing all these people together that are
like have such different personalities and like, especially when there's
alcohol involved, you have people that just like.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Party and let loose so differently that like.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It's just it's hard to it's hard to make sense
of any of it and be like this was done
with this intention, or this was.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I don't fucking enough. I don't know, Bet, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
And it's also the activity, the activation, the adrenaline is
another level from anything I've ever expected. What's going on
inside your mind and your body while your heart is
pumping out of your chest and you're having a conversation
and you don't stop down, like in acting like you're
the train has left. You just said something that's bad
or that could be perceived as inappropriate, tone deaf, or racist.
(04:17):
Your mind is on that thing you've just said. Your
body's still in this conversation. It's the most present scene, ironically,
more than acting ever, because you must be present and
listening to the other person right there, even though you're
in your head a little in the about the past thing.
But like the cameras aren't stopping. And if you go
in the bathroom to throw up about what you've just said,
the cameras are there to get the throw up coming
(04:38):
out of your mouth, Like it is not a joke.
So it's why it's hard to judge a circumstance based
on something that is so heightened, that is designed to
be heightened, and you're then doing what you were supposed
to do. Like did you ever see the movie A
Few Good Men with Tom Cruise? These two okay, so
(04:59):
these two so soldiers are working for Jack Nicholson, who
gave we find out in the end of the movie,
gave them the order to beat the ship out of
this guy in the unit. And the guy died from
the the beating. And these two guys didn't get criminally
prosecuted because they took the order, but they got all
they ever wanted was to be in the army and
they got fired from the army. And they were like,
(05:21):
but what do you mean we we gave we took
the order. He gave the order. Like they were basically
like crying because like there were soldiers. So it's like
your housewives.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
You're supposed to specifically housewives, right, like you have you
have a you have a brand of keep as a
as a housewife, like you gotta be wild and wacky
and crazy and like you said, you're in fucking Morocco.
Everyone's drinking like you're at a heightened Jela.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah yeah yeah and concentrated and everyone's been fired. And
then Bravo likes it's like, we do not condone. We
do not condone the what the promoting and suggesting and
the providing of alcohol and crazy behavior, and you know
that then we're gonna.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Be are they feeding you guys alcohol?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Like before, it's not, No, they're not feed Everybody can
order whatever they want and it's all readily available there. Okay,
but they're loving there's no inter In any other workplace,
you'd possibly see some interference if one person had eate drinks.
If when Sonya crashed on the floor, I'm the one
who was like, stop this and we need to call
a metic because I don't know if she hit her head.
(06:28):
That wasn't the show that said to do that.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Like yeah, then there's that line with reality where it's
like what what is journalism?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Right?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Because I think some reality is is journalism right? Where
it's like we're not going to step in, like where
is the line between like we're highlighting these people's lives.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
We're telling this story.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Right when you're a journalist and you're reporting on a
news story that this was always like in my journalism classes,
this debate of like if you see if you're you know,
documenting something that's happening and something bad is about to happen,
do you step in? And the argument with journalism is like, no,
you are unbiased, you are what is happening, And I think.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
With but then, but you're not editing that this gets edited.
This is selective editing for journalism and storyline, you know, supporting.
So if you're just watching a war and something happening,
that's different. This is like you have a narrative and
that's the most overused word in but this is the
one time to use it. Like there is literally a
(07:31):
narrative that the producers on the whiteboard already know they're
moving with at this time tomorrow. It could change like
based on something that happens in a scene, but they're
going with what this is. So that's why there. You know,
it is an interesting thing. But you're paying these people.
They're technically not employees because they're the contracts are shadily designed,
(07:52):
so they're not legal employees. So it's not really a workplace.
So we were in Colombia on a b so that
the production rented and we took on water and we
had this crazy situation where like feats of waves were
coming on the boat and we then realized there were
only two life jackets on the whole boat for including
the crew and the cast that had to be over
(08:13):
twenty people or fifteen twenty people. So that was like
our life was in danger, and we're in Colombia and
our life was in danger, Like who's that's We're not
supposed to trust the network that got us a boat
and we're just supposed to be like journalists now, Like
even if a if a camera person went for NBC
and the boat had two lifevest and something happened, the
(08:35):
camera person would have a problem with NBC, which is
their employer. So it's like a hybrid weird situation. So
it's like a weird time in reality television because of
the reckoning where they don't know what to do because
they want all that good, meaty content, but now there
are guardrails starting.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I couldn't, I could not, I couldn't do any bit
of that. No part of that.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
That's like or I also just think about how you know,
we will show like the previews for shit, and they'll like,
you know, edit out the tail end of what someone
said to make you believe that they were saying something else.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
And then in some situations people don't watch the show.
They just take that little Oh.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah I hate that person. Yeah, ruin's that person's life. Yeah,
and it goes on for the rest of time.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yeah. So I can't fucking be bothered. Man, that shit is.
I like the idea, Well, it's like acting too, right, where.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
It's like you do this work, do you do your thing,
you whatever it is, and then you put your trust
in someone that's editing it. And then you want and
you're like, oh fuck man, like you picked the take
that I, in my opinion, did the worst act.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
But you still get to hide behind the character and
the writing. It wasn't you that did the crow sometimes yes, yes,
he wasn't either did the craft. So then the next
question I have about popular culture is what do you
think about Victoria Beckham and David Beckham's goal like personality,
glow up their humor and entertaining love it, blow up
wild right, I love.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
It, I love I love Uh, was it uber eats
when they Yes, I just saw it today. That's why
I asked genius, genius. I love that.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I love. My thing for me in comedy is like
people that can make fun of themselves, Yes, like make
that part of it.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, which is why I love you like people that
are so self aware that they make fun of themselves.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Because then also it's like you're kind of uncancellable when
you're like that, right, Like you if you have your
things that obviously in circumstances, in certain circumstances, but it's
like if you have your shtick and you kind of
just own it and you're aware of it. I feel
like people find that like very endearing.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
And well, everybody wants you to catch somebody in something,
so when somebody that was Ellen's biggest problem with the
show was it was be kind to each other every day.
If she was on that show as like you know,
bitch and slightly, it would be a different it would
be a different juxtaposition.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, Or what's your favorite Housewives franchise and what's your
least favorite?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I haven't watched any of them in years except for
individually for my podcast, Like I'll watch an episode and
it's great to do because it's like I'm a new
person walking into the show. So I enjoyed the one
episode I watched. It was a little too Now. Atlanta
was always my favorite because it was so I mean,
Atlanta was really entertaining and ridiculous. So that was always
(11:32):
my favorite. I don't really watch that many anymore. They're
so produced, and I liked it back when it was
more sloppy. Back then, I actually enjoyed Jersey too sometimes
because it's like it's a little fucking messy. They get dirty,
they look like Beverly Hills is very canned, like they're
very produced and very aware. And the New Housewives of
New York, which I only saw, I think the premiere,
(11:53):
they were very savvy and very self produced, and I
just that's not the nature of what the train wreck
we started was. What about you?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I used to love again, I haven't, like I keep
up with Beverly Hills now.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I used to Jersey was like, well, because Jersey like
it feels like home. Watching Jersey like Jersey New York, it.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Just feels like home.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I loved Atlanta, I loved Potomac. Those were like I
never I couldn't get into Salt Lake. I couldn't get
into Miami.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Now. It's just really I just gave up with Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I don't even know the difference anymore. Yeah, Beverly Hills
is like another level that's like, you know, not landing
now
Do you know about the Caroline Manzo and Brandy Glanville thing.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yes, yes, a tiny bit.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Caroline has filed a lawsuit because of a trip to
Morocco on an Ultimate Girls trip. Allegedly there was a
sexual assault incident.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
And was it? Did they describe what that was?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
A grabbing of a boob? Was what was discussed. So
my feeling is that Caroline Manzo who had a quote
saying like, if you're hang out by a dumpster, you're
gonna end up smelling like trash, something like that. And
I knew that she left the show. She was one
of the few people that have left the show versus
being fired. Ninety nine point nine percent of people that
say they've left, it's been they've been fired. And she
(00:53):
did leave, and she didn't want to go back, but
like the pandemic hit everybody, and I'm sure it would
have been nice to have a gig and it's a
lift for the money, one week trip, but she goes
in and now we're in the land of the fired housewife,
which is the most desperate house of all. The fired
housewife is the most desperate housewife because they want to,
you know, jump through hoops and set themselves on fire,
(01:14):
set somebody on fire, to rate and maybe get asked back,
or just like to be relevant again. There's a thousand reasons.
So now Caroline goes in and she knows who the
cast is, so now Brandy's want of the cast. And
in my opinion, I don't know exactly what happened. It's
alleged and Brandy and everyone else have said, you know,
different versions of it. Nothing happened to it's Bravo's fault too,
(01:35):
you know, it's Mickey Mouse's fault. But Brandy is known
to get wild and wasted and has done that even
when she since she's left, she's gone back in as
a guest to get wild and wasted. So this environment
wants you to get wasted. It encourages drinking and train
wreck activity. So is it surprising that this would go
(01:56):
down there there's a ledge that they were smoking pot
and morocco and go to jail. Painting a picture for
you to get your take on this whole situation, because
mine is, don't hate the player, hate the game.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I am so.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Cynical about reality, right and like how things go down,
and also just cancel culture, like somebody can say, like
I don't fucking know.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I don't fucking know. Like, yes, I do agree.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I dated somebody that worked in real filmed reality, and
there would be stories that like people would text on
the side about like storylines that they wanted to dump
on the show to boost their ratings, right like hey,
or like news that would break. But they're like, hey,
(02:51):
I want to you know, I want to break the
news when I'm on air.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Whatever, So no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
The producers will hand you the New York Post and say,
tell Jennifer about this, like Christina kirkmana squat with their
pants down at Starbucks, and I'm supposed to say that
to somebody else. Obviously you were that yeah that yeah,
So they want so they wanted Brandy to be Brandy,
and Brandy went there and was Brandy. I mean you
know what I mean, Like we want enter the wild
(03:18):
girl who's gonna drink? The people that fall off the wagon.
I've heard them say, well, of course we know this
person's gonna drink. And they are excited, they're drooling because
that means that this is a story someone fell off
the wagon. Like they're not like and you're.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Also you're you're throwing all these people together that are
like have such different personalities and like, especially when there's
alcohol involved, you have people that just like.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Party and let loose so differently that like.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It's just it's hard to it's hard to make sense
of any of it and be like this was done
with this intention, or this was.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I don't fucking enough. I don't know, Bet, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
And it's also the activity, the activation, the adrenaline is
another level from anything I've ever expected. What's going on
inside your mind and your body while your heart is
pumping out of your chest and you're having a conversation
and you don't stop down, like in acting like you're
the train has left. You just said something that's bad
or that could be perceived as inappropriate, tone deaf, or racist.
(04:17):
Your mind is on that thing you've just said. Your
body's still in this conversation. It's the most present scene, ironically,
more than acting ever, because you must be present and
listening to the other person right there, even though you're
in your head a little in the about the past thing.
But like the cameras aren't stopping. And if you go
in the bathroom to throw up about what you've just said,
the cameras are there to get the throw up coming
(04:38):
out of your mouth, Like it is not a joke.
So it's why it's hard to judge a circumstance based
on something that is so heightened, that is designed to
be heightened, and you're then doing what you were supposed
to do. Like did you ever see the movie A
Few Good Men with Tom Cruise? These two okay, so
(04:59):
these two so soldiers are working for Jack Nicholson, who
gave we find out in the end of the movie,
gave them the order to beat the ship out of
this guy in the unit. And the guy died from
the the beating. And these two guys didn't get criminally
prosecuted because they took the order, but they got all
they ever wanted was to be in the army and
they got fired from the army. And they were like,
(05:21):
but what do you mean we we gave we took
the order. He gave the order. Like they were basically
like crying because like there were soldiers. So it's like
your housewives.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
You're supposed to specifically housewives, right, like you have you
have a you have a brand of keep as a
as a housewife, like you gotta be wild and wacky
and crazy and like you said, you're in fucking Morocco.
Everyone's drinking like you're at a heightened Jela.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah yeah yeah and concentrated and everyone's been fired. And
then Bravo likes it's like, we do not condone. We
do not condone the what the promoting and suggesting and
the providing of alcohol and crazy behavior, and you know
that then we're gonna.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Be are they feeding you guys alcohol?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Like before, it's not, No, they're not feed Everybody can
order whatever they want and it's all readily available there. Okay,
but they're loving there's no inter In any other workplace,
you'd possibly see some interference if one person had eate drinks.
If when Sonya crashed on the floor, I'm the one
who was like, stop this and we need to call
a metic because I don't know if she hit her head.
(06:28):
That wasn't the show that said to do that.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Like yeah, then there's that line with reality where it's
like what what is journalism?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Right?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Because I think some reality is is journalism right? Where
it's like we're not going to step in, like where
is the line between like we're highlighting these people's lives.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
We're telling this story.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Right when you're a journalist and you're reporting on a
news story that this was always like in my journalism classes,
this debate of like if you see if you're you know,
documenting something that's happening and something bad is about to happen,
do you step in? And the argument with journalism is like, no,
you are unbiased, you are what is happening, And I think.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
With but then, but you're not editing that this gets edited.
This is selective editing for journalism and storyline, you know, supporting.
So if you're just watching a war and something happening,
that's different. This is like you have a narrative and
that's the most overused word in but this is the
one time to use it. Like there is literally a
(07:31):
narrative that the producers on the whiteboard already know they're
moving with at this time tomorrow. It could change like
based on something that happens in a scene, but they're
going with what this is. So that's why there. You know,
it is an interesting thing. But you're paying these people.
They're technically not employees because they're the contracts are shadily designed,
(07:52):
so they're not legal employees. So it's not really a workplace.
So we were in Colombia on a b so that
the production rented and we took on water and we
had this crazy situation where like feats of waves were
coming on the boat and we then realized there were
only two life jackets on the whole boat for including
the crew and the cast that had to be over
(08:13):
twenty people or fifteen twenty people. So that was like
our life was in danger, and we're in Colombia and
our life was in danger, Like who's that's We're not
supposed to trust the network that got us a boat
and we're just supposed to be like journalists now, Like
even if a if a camera person went for NBC
and the boat had two lifevest and something happened, the
(08:35):
camera person would have a problem with NBC, which is
their employer. So it's like a hybrid weird situation. So
it's like a weird time in reality television because of
the reckoning where they don't know what to do because
they want all that good, meaty content, but now there
are guardrails starting.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I couldn't, I could not, I couldn't do any bit
of that. No part of that.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
That's like or I also just think about how you know,
we will show like the previews for shit, and they'll like,
you know, edit out the tail end of what someone
said to make you believe that they were saying something else.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
And then in some situations people don't watch the show.
They just take that little Oh.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah I hate that person. Yeah, ruin's that person's life. Yeah,
and it goes on for the rest of time.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yeah. So I can't fucking be bothered. Man, that shit is.
I like the idea, Well, it's like acting too, right, where.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
It's like you do this work, do you do your thing,
you whatever it is, and then you put your trust
in someone that's editing it. And then you want and
you're like, oh fuck man, like you picked the take
that I, in my opinion, did the worst act.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
But you still get to hide behind the character and
the writing. It wasn't you that did the crow sometimes yes, yes,
he wasn't either did the craft. So then the next
question I have about popular culture is what do you
think about Victoria Beckham and David Beckham's goal like personality,
glow up their humor and entertaining love it, blow up
wild right, I love.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
It, I love I love Uh, was it uber eats
when they Yes, I just saw it today. That's why
I asked genius, genius. I love that.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I love. My thing for me in comedy is like
people that can make fun of themselves, Yes, like make
that part of it.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, which is why I love you like people that
are so self aware that they make fun of themselves.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Because then also it's like you're kind of uncancellable when
you're like that, right, Like you if you have your
things that obviously in circumstances, in certain circumstances, but it's
like if you have your shtick and you kind of
just own it and you're aware of it. I feel
like people find that like very endearing.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
And well, everybody wants you to catch somebody in something,
so when somebody that was Ellen's biggest problem with the
show was it was be kind to each other every day.
If she was on that show as like you know,
bitch and slightly, it would be a different it would
be a different juxtaposition.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, Or what's your favorite Housewives franchise and what's your
least favorite?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I haven't watched any of them in years except for
individually for my podcast, Like I'll watch an episode and
it's great to do because it's like I'm a new
person walking into the show. So I enjoyed the one
episode I watched. It was a little too Now. Atlanta
was always my favorite because it was so I mean,
Atlanta was really entertaining and ridiculous. So that was always
(11:32):
my favorite. I don't really watch that many anymore. They're
so produced, and I liked it back when it was
more sloppy. Back then, I actually enjoyed Jersey too sometimes
because it's like it's a little fucking messy. They get dirty,
they look like Beverly Hills is very canned, like they're
very produced and very aware. And the New Housewives of
New York, which I only saw, I think the premiere,
(11:53):
they were very savvy and very self produced, and I
just that's not the nature of what the train wreck
we started was. What about you?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I used to love again, I haven't, like I keep
up with Beverly Hills now.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I used to Jersey was like, well, because Jersey like
it feels like home. Watching Jersey like Jersey New York, it.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Just feels like home.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I loved Atlanta, I loved Potomac. Those were like I
never I couldn't get into Salt Lake. I couldn't get
into Miami.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Now. It's just really I just gave up with Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I don't even know the difference anymore. Yeah, Beverly Hills
is like another level that's like, you know, not landing
now
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